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another episode of hero in three two off

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episode of hero paranormal podcast my

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name is Ryan I am the original outlaw of

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area 51 at the base of la madre mountain

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and bringing you the strangest and the

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best stuff out there and what we have

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come in today it's not only extremely

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strange but it is definitely the best

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what we are going to be going into today

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as dark files a pictorial history of

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lost forgotten and obscure UFO

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encounters this is a very amazing book

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by Michael shrap and is Michael ever the

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guy to be doing this and investigating

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researching and giving it to the masses

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Michael is a private pilot aviation

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historian and he has been investigating

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UFO encounters for over 25 years between

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2008 and 2009 Michael meticulously

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reviewed a minimum of 50,000 cases which

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were preserved at the Koufos Center for

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UFO studies archives in Chicago in an

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effort to try to maintain an important

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part of our national history Michael has

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recreated dozens of highly credible UFO

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cases by the use of drawings

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illustrations

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and commissioned artwork it is so cool

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many of these include USO unidentified

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submerged objects and my favorite actual

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extraterrestrial encounters and

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prehistory UFO cases which have never

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seen the light of day michael has

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appeared on multiple media platforms

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including the following Coast to Coast

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paranormal matrix UFO Hunters fade to

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black the list goes on and on ad

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infinitum Michael is the man and he has

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been a guest speaker at many UFO

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conferences and international UFO

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congresses symposiums conventions you

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name it all the very best of the best

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Michael's ability to not only take you

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there take you to the moment that these

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extraterrestrial craft landed in front

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of these observers but he's recreated it

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in a way I haven't seen before

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and I highly recommend you go to Amazon

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if you have an account if not look up

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the book dark files a pictorial history

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of lost forgotten and obscure UFO

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encounters once you check it out you'll

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see what I'm talking about

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visually stunning graphically amazing

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the way the stories are told Michael

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will hopefully open our eyes to some of

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the intricacies to how he how he put

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this project together and what he has

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going on now and in the future and we

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are going to keep taking it there as far

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as Epstein Island the pedophile roundup

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and all the creepiest things you need to

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know it's it's no joke everybody thought

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this was over at the end of little st.

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James in the US Virgin Islands you know

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this was the end of pedophile Island no

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one really knows since Epstein arrest

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and quote-unquote eventual death in 2019

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what's going on on the notorious little

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Island well if you've been a patron

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we've been following the ghilane Maxwell

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saga and the epstein pedophile saga in

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detail so definitely if you have a

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chance haven't checked it out before go

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to hero paranormal comm or if you want

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to download it quicker hero paranormal

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our archives there thanks so much for

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listening in I can't wait to talk to

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Michael this is gonna be a great great

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Michael Shrek the UAP pursuing pilot who

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has reviewed over 50,000 cases he has

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preserved recreated and reinvented the

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art of pictorial UFO history in my

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opinion bringing historic UFO gems

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forward to the light of day which have

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never been seen before

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without further ado Michael Shrek

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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great thank you could be glad to be with

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you for sure I'm really excited I think

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your book is not only a work of art but

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the creativity of the book is simply off

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the charts and I'm a pretty huge UFO

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buff Michael what started you down this

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journey into investigating and

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documenting UFO encounters well I guess

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it started with my dad taking me to air

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museums and then he took me to ash Kosh

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air show which is the largest air show

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in the world

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and that's kind of where it started but

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then I had a relative who knew jail and

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Hynek that lived in Chicago and so he

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kind of got me on that track and then

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fast forward to you know like late 2000

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I'd say 6 7 8 timeframe being so close

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to cue foes which was 24:57 West

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Peterson Avenue Marc Rajic er was kind

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enough to give me access to the entire

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coolest library and so that's how I

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really dug into those cases so it took

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about two years to get through

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at least 50,000 cases and I only pulled

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out the cases that had drawing paperwork

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illustration line marker drawing to go

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with it and that was the basis of where

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we are now and so our listeners are

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aware of the book and where to find it

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could we go into what the streams that

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you would recommend to for them to find

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the book yes it's available on Amazon

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and if you just typed in dark files and

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then my name it'll pop right up so

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that's how you find it on Amazon that is

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great Michael and you were a pilot as

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well did that have something did you

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ever see anything when you were flying

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seen anything nope I can't say I've seen

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a UFO in the air in a plane so negative

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on that part now there are so many cases

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and they are so vivid in the description

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I thought about the idea I can start at

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the beginning but what were your

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favorite cases I look let's start at the

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beginning because that was really one of

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my favorite yeah why don't we start with

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1897 mystery airship wave perfect yeah

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we'll start there so the backstory on

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this is actually took place the Year

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year earlier in 1896 and in Sacramento

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airships these flying craft these cigars

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and fifty foot long cigar-shaped craft a

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lot of these look like gondolas um they

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rotors on the side of these craft it

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that had ropes coming down that

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suspended kind of like a gondola device

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before the Wright brothers flew December

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the witnesses described and the setting

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streets covered wagons are being over

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towns below people are are bewildered

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witnesses are reporting is on the top

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decks of these craft they're seeing what

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well-dressed inventor eccentric looking

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individuals they also report big black

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of these craft landed some of them hover

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anchors people have actually talked to

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the quote-unquote pilots of these craft

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that were wearing smoke colored glasses

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and they talked about how these craft do

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not use helium or hot air they use

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something called env gas and the people

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Aero Club that formed in 1850 basically

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secrets of gravity control this is all

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back in 1850 timeframe long before the

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Wright brothers flew so essentially

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airship wave and I loved the

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descriptions and the mysterious

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organization of course right you know

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it's NY mza but I would guess that that

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would be like the equivalent of the CIA

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Aero Club area that's where they started

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but then they were financed by nimza

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quote-unquote back east is what Walter

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someone that I think needs to get more

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credit he hasn't really been given the

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credit that he deserves and I think he's

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basically cracked the case of the

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mystery airship waves he has pieced

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together the puzzle that really

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describes the origin what they were

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doing there was a subsequent group going

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on concurrently that was kind of an

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American group

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and they did experiments during the

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civil war that Abraham Lincoln was aware

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of so this technology dates back a lot

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prior than we may think and it's it's so

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funny because it has that this case in

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particular really interests me and I'm

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probably we're probably giving it so

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much time but there's plenty of reason

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because the just the illustration of the

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the ship itself it looks almost like I

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mean something out of an aura it's it's

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like a time machine looking thing right

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very steampunk is what they would call

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it these days and in addition I thought

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it was very interesting that I mean this

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has kind of a it that movie the Kingsmen

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like they had kind of a secret plan

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scenario there was a lot of

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cloak-and-dagger involved with the

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groups and they were mysterious and it

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just kind of adds to all the mystery

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you know to this day

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none of these airships have shown up now

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burnt down but we don't have any real

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blueprints we've got Charles still shows

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illustrations and paintings but we don't

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have any like actual blueprints we don't

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have any physical craft the person who

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was investigating and was responsible

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for the NB gas he was killed or murdered

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so he took the secrets of the NVGs with

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him to his grave so we don't know how to

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duplicate that and so right now it's

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left in disarray we don't know the whole

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story on the mystery airship wave but

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we've got some pieces of the puzzle so

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neat so neat and I guess the next case

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that I wanted to ask you about there's

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a quick case but it's very interesting

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so you want to talk about the flying

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vanity like yeah with the 24 that one

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but is it the 24 sockets is that right

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to give these all names so yeah that

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case came from the wendell stevens

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collection back story on that one the

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on the clothesline now I don't know why

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she was doing it at 11:30 p.m. but

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that's what the report said so I'm going

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with that

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so she's hanging up clothes and she

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notices this it's about mmm somewhere

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around 20 feet in diameter it looks like

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a half sphere it's kind of translucent

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in color and then on the bottom of it

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the report says she wrote a three-page

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report all handwritten and she did a

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sketch to the sketch is incredible

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really nice job on the sketch she said

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that on the bottom of this craft it had

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24 individual sockets that look like a

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light bulb they're all different in

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color they were revolving around the

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outer circumference of the craft on the

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inside lip of it that was indented about

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a foot inside the interior she said that

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each light was connected to a socket and

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the socket was comprised of three

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quote-unquote doughnut rings she called

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them between the doughnut rings there

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were two black bands but then she said

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that on the bottom of these doughnuts

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there was what looked like inscriptions

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that were Peruvian edge markings or

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something like Aztec or Mayan or Inca

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pottery that's what the inscriptions

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look like this thing flew right by the

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clothes line she said I she had to move

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to the sides because she thought it

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might snap the clothes line it did a

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tip-up maneuver and then cleared the

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chimney of her house and then departed

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over the Main Street there so that's

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essentially the siting but it's very

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interesting she talks about these

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inscriptions and her sketch it's just so

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well done so well done it's an amazing

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sketch and I really like how it's kind

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of described in a way that you would

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expect I'm gonna move forward just a bit

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if that's okay Michael and I I wanted to

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move on to the USS Franklin D Roosevelt

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and what what looks like oh my gosh I

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mean one of the nearest UFO and really

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possible well it encounters that I've

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heard about yeah all right so this

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countless via Chester grazinsky there's

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two newspaper clippings about this

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he's been on a History Channel

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documentary talking about this as well

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so the time frame is late nineteen

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fifty-eight Guantanamo Bay Cuba it's the

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USS FDR now this was the first aircraft

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carrier to carry nuclear weapons on

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board so that might be why this actually

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took place the sighting is 9:00 p.m. at

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night and there's commotion below decks

332
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there's chaos because people are trying

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to get to the top flight deck where the

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aircraft are stored so they get to the

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flight deck and they see this light

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approaching the aircraft carrier it gets

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closer and closer as soon after that

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this is a hundred and fifty foot long

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cigar-shaped craft parks itself about 80

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feet above the flight deck with at least

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24 naval personnel on there looking at

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the craft hovering right over the flight

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deck they even state in the report that

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they could all feel heat coming off this

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craft onto their faces so right there it

346
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qualifies as a ce2 case because it's got

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physical effects now mr. Kosinski and

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I've got his original sketch and I'll

349
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show that here this is his original

350
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sketch of what the craft looked like and

351
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he said that along the outer portion of

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the cigar shaped craft there were these

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porthole windows and then walking back

354
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and forth within these porthole windows

355
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that were square in shape were these

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humanoid-looking beings that had

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slightly larger heads one of them

358
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actually leaned forward onto this glass

359
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window cutout and raised his hand above

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his head like he was waving at the

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officers below this was all seen by

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twenty four eyewitnesses so whatever

363
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this was it waved back to the personnel

364
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back on the flight deck after that this

365
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thing changed to an orange color and

366
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departed very quickly from the scene

367
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making no sonic boom whatsoever all done

368
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in late 1958 absolutely unbelievable

369
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case and the fact that it was witnessed

370
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and the description that I love the

371
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the artwork in the book how it shows the

372
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the entity actually waving back I I'll

373
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have to maybe try to convince you if I

374
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can use maybe one of them and as the

375
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promo nervous yeah yeah yeah the cover

376
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person or this one is great ol number 42

377
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the the chaos that this that ensued and

378
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oh yeah I mean this is such an e case

379
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this also sort of reeks of kind of a

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black project type do you think that

381
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this could have been maybe military on

382
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military but it doesn't sound it's

383
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possible because the FDR had a history

384
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of UFO sightings it had a history of UFO

385
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encounters now these could be uso cases

386
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we don't know for sure but since this

387
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thing is in the ocean and it appeared

388
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right over the flight deck it could have

389
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emerged from the ocean three miles away

390
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we don't know but and that's what I

391
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think is really interesting in ufology

392
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is USO cases are rarely even spoken

393
00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:46,970
about they're completely forgotten about

394
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yet it makes up 51 percent of the

395
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phenomenon and I just think it's very

396
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interesting is that primarily because

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there's just less people on the

398
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shoreline looking or in boats it could

399
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be it could be but if you go back to the

400
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historical records Christopher Columbus

401
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had a sighting there are sightings of

402
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French explorers that reported these 900

403
00:19:14,650 --> 00:19:11,780
foot diameter light wheels that emerge

404
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from the ocean so uso cases are are just

405
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:16,669
they're massive but they're so

406
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underreported fascinating because yes

407
00:19:25,690 --> 00:19:23,030
they're there they're everywhere and it

408
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seems like these crafts have no problem

409
00:19:30,220 --> 00:19:27,950
going into water going into land or rock

410
00:19:32,890 --> 00:19:30,230
for that major makes no difference in

411
00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:32,900
fact I've got a case from operation

412
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:37,040
night breaker where we had a one of our

413
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ships that was nearby a very interesting

414
00:19:45,850 --> 00:19:43,010
sighting where a a bullet-shaped craft

415
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that was about 150 feet long punched

416
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through 37 feet of solid ice and then

417
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went into space and this is all seen by

418
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eyewitnesses of the deck of the ship and

419
00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:55,790
they reported these big chunks of ice

420
00:20:01,320 --> 00:19:58,130
flew into the air and then smashed down

421
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:01,330
on the surrounding ice and it had a

422
00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:03,520
cut out hole a circular cutout hole that

423
00:20:08,370 --> 00:20:05,500
was bubbling and boiling as this thing

424
00:20:11,550 --> 00:20:08,380
passed through so you know who had the

425
00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:11,560
technology in the 50s and 60s to do this

426
00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:15,220
some of our attack submarines can break

427
00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:17,470
through 37 inches of solid ice but not

428
00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:21,370
37 feet of solid ice unbelievable

429
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:23,560
unbelievable it does kind of wreak of

430
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:26,530
that black project another case and

431
00:20:31,170 --> 00:20:28,770
we're going sequentially in order so

432
00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:31,180
further for those that are listening in

433
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:32,980
this is not that we're picking the best

434
00:20:39,630 --> 00:20:36,610
they are all this good the the next case

435
00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:39,640
is with Reverend William B Gill and the

436
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,070
Anglican mission in Papua New Guinea

437
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this this is wild oh yeah this is a

438
00:20:53,490 --> 00:20:49,360
famous case June 27th 1959 Papua New

439
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Guinea now the back story is on the 26

440
00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:55,510
they had some sightings too but on the

441
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27th right around six o'clock timeframe

442
00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:01,990
in the evening we had at least 24

443
00:21:07,530 --> 00:21:04,360
eyewitnesses including father Gill what

444
00:21:10,590 --> 00:21:07,540
they reported is a 35 foot diameter

445
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:10,600
dish-shaped craft that had a tear above

446
00:21:13,470 --> 00:21:12,490
that one so it was like a two tiered

447
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,480
wedding cake

448
00:21:18,330 --> 00:21:15,520
the upper deck was 20 feet in diameter

449
00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:18,340
it had these strange cone-shaped

450
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,590
landing gear legs that stuck out at an

451
00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:22,720
angle from the bottom of the craft now

452
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:24,220
the eyewitnesses said that there were

453
00:21:27,930 --> 00:21:27,130
four human looking beings on the top

454
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deck of the ship

455
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two of them were further back toward the

456
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center of the crest so they were

457
00:21:36,570 --> 00:21:34,690
slightly obscured and it was like they

458
00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:36,580
were setting up some kind of mechanical

459
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equipment they weren't quite sure

460
00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:39,910
because I didn't have line-of-sight

461
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:43,750
proper but the two on top father Gill

462
00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:47,490
noticed very clearly and he actually

463
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waved his head above his hand and the

464
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:53,320
the being actually waved back that's why

465
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this case is called they way back they

466
00:22:00,030 --> 00:21:57,370
actually did wave back and then he used

467
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a torch and kind of made a circular

468
00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:03,160
motion and rocking motion and the craft

469
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:05,830
responded to his movement so now we've

470
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got a ce3 case we actually have

471
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witnesses of beings now a little bit

472
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after that there was a blue beaming

473
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light that shot

474
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a 45-degree angle from the top deck of

475
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the craft so again for at least 24 I

476
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,540
witnesses saw this day actually

477
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described and drew sketches of the craft

478
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:28,419
independently and then another little

479
00:22:34,770 --> 00:22:31,330
backstory to this is I was talking to

480
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Paul Hynek son of jail and Hynek who

481
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actually had Fothergill over to evidence

482
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for dinner right around 1974 years after

483
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this took place and father Gill he laid

484
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out the entire case and he wasn't

485
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seeking fame or fortune he wasn't

486
00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:50,770
looking to be popular but he just laid

487
00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:52,990
out the entire case and when I heard the

488
00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:55,000
description from Paul Hynek of the

489
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dinner meeting it just made it that more

490
00:23:04,409 --> 00:23:01,090
real this this is all verified tons of

491
00:23:07,230 --> 00:23:04,419
eyewitnesses a man a man of God I mean

492
00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:07,240
all things that are pretty significant

493
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:12,160
in this case sure mm-hmm on another case

494
00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:14,710
oh go ahead over at some Paulette it

495
00:23:22,169 --> 00:23:16,660
just made it that much more real when I

496
00:23:24,090 --> 00:23:22,179
heard that from him so and and do we

497
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,100
want to keep going in sequential order

498
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:26,559
because you obviously are you want to

499
00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:29,440
move on to Oklahoma yes that would be

500
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great that would be wonderful

501
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:33,010
please yeah and what can you tell us

502
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,809
about this case that will kind of set it

503
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:36,400
apart from some of the other cases

504
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:39,850
Michael so you you want to do the March

505
00:23:49,620 --> 00:23:45,570
23rd 1966 yes sir sure okay so this is

506
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Eddie lexan who is a electronics

507
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technician instructor at Sheppard Air

508
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Force Base this is on the Oklahoma Texas

509
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,940
border March 23rd 1966

510
00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:00,640
it's about 505 in the morning so he's

511
00:24:06,990 --> 00:24:03,870
driving down the road and something

512
00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:07,000
landed and it's parked itself right in

513
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:10,059
front of his car blocked the road so he

514
00:24:13,409 --> 00:24:11,049
couldn't go any further

515
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:13,419
so he you know you can kind of get the

516
00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:14,890
picture here it's still a little bit

517
00:24:19,289 --> 00:24:16,630
dark out so the Sun is just barely

518
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:19,299
popping up over the horizon what he

519
00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:21,490
describes and we've got his original

520
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:23,590
sketch which is a very rough sketch and

521
00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:26,590
it's out of scale it's about 75 feet in

522
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length it's 8 feet

523
00:24:34,170 --> 00:24:31,210
it looks kind of like a perch or a fish

524
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:34,180
it's polished aluminum or slightly

525
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:37,930
brushed aluminum in color 75 feet long

526
00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:41,710
at the very tip of the craft there was

527
00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:44,140
what looked like a bubble canopy that

528
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:47,470
was about three feet in diameter going

529
00:24:52,530 --> 00:24:50,110
back along the upper spine of the craft

530
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,540
there was a spire or stinger that swept

531
00:24:57,570 --> 00:24:54,400
back at kind of a 45-degree angle that

532
00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:57,580
curved back and terminated in about a 10

533
00:25:01,410 --> 00:24:59,590
inch diameter sphere or ball that's

534
00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:01,420
something that's been reported at least

535
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:03,310
14 other times within the cases that I

536
00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:06,250
have now on the right hand side of the

537
00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:09,670
craft he said that he saw a man a human

538
00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:12,280
looking being he was wearing two-piece

539
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:16,630
green military fatigues he had on his

540
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:19,090
shoulder Chevron's that were like an

541
00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:22,090
insignia of rank some type of Chevron's

542
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:23,980
he had a baseball cap with the bill

543
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:26,820
turned up he was shining a flashlight

544
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:29,050
onto the bottom of the vehicle like he

545
00:25:35,010 --> 00:25:30,370
was inspecting something

546
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:35,020
now you're just asked of that door on

547
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,410
the right hand side was another bubble

548
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:40,000
transparent window that was divided into

549
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:42,730
four equal pi segments just in back of

550
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:44,530
that there was the designation written

551
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:46,510
in black letters vertically from top to

552
00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:50,110
bottom TL four seven six eight now he

553
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:52,030
couldn't figure out what that meant and

554
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:54,970
I try very hard to decipher what that

555
00:26:00,480 --> 00:25:57,760
means the last two characters he wasn't

556
00:26:03,150 --> 00:26:00,490
100% sure of but he believes it's TL

557
00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:03,160
four seven six eight and at the very end

558
00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:05,680
of this craft there was what looked like

559
00:26:12,050 --> 00:26:08,200
two horizontal stabilizers that were too

560
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:12,060
small to be effective aerodynamically

561
00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:16,000
now while this is going on he's watching

562
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:19,660
this take place when when the gentlemen

563
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:24,310
flying is shining the flashlight notices

564
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:26,890
that he's being watched by Eddy lexan he

565
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,410
immediately climbs up these air stairs

566
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:32,320
he slams this door shut and this whole

567
00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:34,810
thing is about two feet off the ground

568
00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:37,540
being supported by these lunar lander

569
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:40,180
looking landing gear when the door is

570
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:41,090
shut there's a

571
00:26:46,270 --> 00:26:43,100
brief pause and then there's this

572
00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:46,280
high-pitched drilling noise this thing

573
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:47,870
hovers off the ground about five feet

574
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,810
and then takes off like a cannonball

575
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:53,120
shot out of a cannon and makes no sonic

576
00:27:01,660 --> 00:26:56,770
boom and Ryan this is all back in 1966

577
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:01,670
and the styling of this thing is so cool

578
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,050
it looks like a retro airstream

579
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,720
spaceship camper yeah let's move on to

580
00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:11,360
the next one I just love it I love the

581
00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:12,350
next one it's great

582
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:15,500
yep okay so let's move on to Venezuela

583
00:27:22,570 --> 00:27:19,820
this is December 26 1972 four

584
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:22,580
eyewitnesses actually actually three

585
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,130
eyewitnesses saw this craft they are on

586
00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:26,960
the 14th floor of their apartment

587
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:29,900
complex they were looking over the city

588
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:33,440
expecting an airliner to go past them as

589
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:36,710
it always does and what he notices is

590
00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:39,470
this orange colored flame that he

591
00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:41,240
thought was an engine fire and one of

592
00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:44,630
the engine the cells as this got closer

593
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:48,220
this was no engine fire this was a

594
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:52,610
approximately ninety to a hundred foot

595
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:56,270
long elliptical shaped craft now on the

596
00:28:02,200 --> 00:27:59,510
outer portion of each side there was

597
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:02,210
what looked like cast-iron exhaust ports

598
00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:04,250
now this thing flew about 150 feet from

599
00:28:08,830 --> 00:28:06,440
his location he could have hit it with a

600
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:08,840
baseball bat if he needed to these

601
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:14,000
cast-iron exhaust ports were they were

602
00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:16,310
spitting out these flames but they

603
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:19,420
weren't flames he described them as

604
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,250
electrical arc or some type of

605
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:25,760
electrical flaming device or exhaust

606
00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:27,320
coming out of these exhaust ports they

607
00:28:31,270 --> 00:28:29,390
didn't look like flames it looked like

608
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:31,280
someone took a butter knife and chopped

609
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:34,130
them cut dry they had a very Square

610
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:37,070
abrupt ending to them not like natural

611
00:28:42,850 --> 00:28:38,810
flames would be now on the bottom of

612
00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:42,860
this craft there were twin opposing look

613
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:44,360
like two foot diameter half

614
00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:45,890
hemispherical domes

615
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,980
and in between these domes was this

616
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:51,440
spark gap mechanism that looked like an

617
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,230
a welders arc

618
00:28:58,690 --> 00:28:56,960
robbed device continually going on

619
00:29:02,020 --> 00:28:58,700
between these two rods was this

620
00:29:05,169 --> 00:29:02,030
continuing blue arcing device now while

621
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:05,179
this thing is passing by the smoke from

622
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:08,030
this arc is moving with the craft this

623
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:09,890
craft tipped up at about a 45 degree

624
00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:12,290
angle continued on its original flight

625
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:14,600
path missed some buildings in the area

626
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:17,919
and then about five minutes later an

627
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:21,110
identical craft to the first passed him

628
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,320
by at the same flight path and then kind

629
00:29:28,919 --> 00:29:26,480
of departed at the airport about 15

630
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:28,929
miles away and so that actually is the

631
00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:33,190
72 Venezuela case in a nutshell I

632
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:36,350
absolutely think that the colors on this

633
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:38,510
one and and how the discharge was

634
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:41,570
described as lasagna like and and that

635
00:29:47,049 --> 00:29:43,970
how you managed to recreate that is so

636
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:47,059
neat well credit goes to Tom bogans so

637
00:29:52,169 --> 00:29:48,650
he's got to get the credit there so I

638
00:29:53,890 --> 00:29:52,179
what my job was is to pull out the data

639
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:53,900
examine how it should go

640
00:29:58,539 --> 00:29:56,540
I did some renderings early on and then

641
00:30:00,100 --> 00:29:58,549
you know over a period of a week we

642
00:30:02,140 --> 00:30:00,110
vetted out all the details that's the

643
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:02,150
end result but the bottom line is they

644
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:05,330
did describe these things as coming out

645
00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:08,480
of these ports like lasagna noodles with

646
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,030
a very abrupt chopped end at the back

647
00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:14,000
terminating part of the flame so neat

648
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:16,940
and and is it okay Michael if we jump to

649
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:19,760
the glass bubble that was such a okay

650
00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:23,600
thank you yeah with the guys guys in red

651
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:25,400
it looks like something out of Mars

652
00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:29,450
Attacks it's soni yeah okay so credit

653
00:30:34,659 --> 00:30:32,150
goes to and tank Antonio who næss who's

654
00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:34,669
a friend of mine and then also Don

655
00:30:39,549 --> 00:30:37,100
Berliner they're the ones who wrote the

656
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:39,559
best available evidence report that

657
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:41,540
report was handed to Rock David

658
00:30:49,270 --> 00:30:47,150
Rockefeller so bottom line is Bill

659
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:49,280
Clinton he knows about this Hillary

660
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:51,710
Clinton she knows about this so it's not

661
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:53,570
like you know we don't have anything

662
00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:55,010
where we're speaking out of bounds here

663
00:31:01,030 --> 00:30:56,870
this was a legitimate report we've got

664
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:01,040
the entire case itself so we've got the

665
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:03,850
original part of the sighting was seen

666
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:06,740
by members of a naval war

667
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:09,529
they saw this off the easternmost coast

668
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:12,710
of the Canary Islands that's where this

669
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:14,570
actually took place off the coast there

670
00:31:20,529 --> 00:31:16,610
about three miles what they described

671
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:20,539
seeing is this yellowish bluish glow

672
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:23,450
that was the first part of the sighting

673
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:26,380
and then it started heading westbound

674
00:31:33,789 --> 00:31:30,200
where it parked itself over a town

675
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:33,799
called Santa Rosa just to the west of

676
00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:38,090
the easternmost island chain in the

677
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:39,940
Canary Islands and we've got at least

678
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:44,090
three witnesses who saw and it's kind of

679
00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:46,730
strange how it was described a 20 foot

680
00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:49,720
diameter clear transparent soap bubble

681
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:52,760
totally transparent so it was a doctor

682
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:55,700
who saw it it was the the cab driver

683
00:32:01,899 --> 00:31:58,370
that saw it and then it was the son of

684
00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:01,909
the mother who was the patient that he

685
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:04,070
was trying to check on so we have three

686
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:06,890
eyewitnesses that actually saw this cab

687
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:08,690
driver saw it as well what they

688
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:13,330
described seeing is a 24 28 domitor

689
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:16,610
transparent bubble it had a lower

690
00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:19,520
platform that was circular in shape on

691
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:21,320
top of that platform there was these

692
00:32:28,659 --> 00:32:24,590
round councils and then going up from

693
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:28,669
the center of that platform just below

694
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:31,760
the top of the bubble itself was a clear

695
00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:34,340
transparent tube and coming up from this

696
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:36,470
transparent tube was this blue colored

697
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:40,399
smoke that filled the entire section of

698
00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:42,890
the bubble itself now it had these nine

699
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:44,750
foot tall beings that were dressed in

700
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,630
these red one-piece tight-fitting flight

701
00:32:53,649 --> 00:32:50,960
suits they had large heads but then they

702
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:53,659
had cone-shaped hands and they were

703
00:32:57,789 --> 00:32:56,330
operating these lever devices back and

704
00:33:01,120 --> 00:32:57,799
forth they keep talking about these

705
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:01,130
lever devices a few minutes later this

706
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,010
thing expands to a tremendous size at

707
00:33:09,370 --> 00:33:06,559
this point they are freaked out they get

708
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:09,380
there in the taxi they drive to kind of

709
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:12,350
a local house section they knock on the

710
00:33:16,450 --> 00:33:14,570
door they get in this house they talk

711
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:16,460
about with the family they see it too

712
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,330
and then they see this thing even in LA

713
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,120
larger than it was before and then this

714
00:33:28,270 --> 00:33:26,000
whole thing departs the witness's

715
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,280
original witnesses saw it and the new

716
00:33:34,690 --> 00:33:30,320
witnesses of a houses they saw it as

717
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:34,700
well so multi witness case and this is

718
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:39,650
all back on June 22nd 1976 and all very

719
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:41,810
credible witnesses the drawings that I

720
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:43,990
love the drawings on this one as well

721
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:46,940
but the next case that I wanted to ask

722
00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:49,340
you about was bill as it Pecha in

723
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:53,390
California 39 like wow this may be my

724
00:34:00,280 --> 00:33:57,350
favorite case this is just weird very

725
00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:00,290
now this is reported in newspaper

726
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:02,750
clippings the miu final report they

727
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:05,270
talked about this as well so this is

728
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:08,710
Colusa California this is September 10th

729
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:12,110
1976 there were multiple eyewitnesses to

730
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:15,050
saw this backstory is the gentleman is

731
00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:17,149
watching TV it's late at night around

732
00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:22,340
11:30 p.m. all of a sudden the TV goes

733
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:26,300
dark concurrently with that the air

734
00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:29,090
conditioning unit goes off so we thought

735
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:30,860
well maybe we've got some kind of power

736
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:33,230
surge or something so he gets out he's

737
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:34,760
in his shorts while this is going on

738
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:37,129
11:30 p.m. walks to the back of the

739
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:39,290
mobile home checks the circuit breaker

740
00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:41,929
box and he thought maybe one of the

741
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:44,870
circuit breakers blew or something next

742
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:47,629
thing he knows that his entire body is

743
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:49,790
surrounded by the static electrical

744
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:52,730
field and the localized area and the

745
00:34:59,770 --> 00:34:56,210
hair on his arms and on his chest and on

746
00:35:01,330 --> 00:34:59,780
his head start standing up on end but he

747
00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:01,340
also notices that the hair on his head

748
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:05,060
starts crackling so he looks up and what

749
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:09,230
he sees is maybe 50 feet to 80 feet

750
00:35:14,830 --> 00:35:12,980
above him is hovering this 150 foot

751
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:14,840
diameter dish shaped craft that has a

752
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,650
gunmetal aluminum appearance on the top

753
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:20,720
section this is the critical part of the

754
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:24,050
sighting here what looks like a lemon

755
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:26,660
juicer on the top of this crap looks

756
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:28,450
like an orange juice squeezer a

757
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:31,820
dome-shaped device with these ribbed

758
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,690
concave sections not

759
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:36,420
standard dome but these ribbed concave

760
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:39,170
sections that look like a lemon juicer

761
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:42,540
below that he said that on the bottom of

762
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,490
the craft it had at least six conduit

763
00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:50,160
pipes that taper down to it look like

764
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,190
frayed edges now there was a beaming

765
00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:55,500
spotlight that was shining down on the

766
00:36:00,440 --> 00:35:57,980
ground right next to his location and

767
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,450
when he looked off to the side he could

768
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,359
see two identical craft that were the

769
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:05,760
same configuration but were exactly half

770
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:08,460
the size and they were hovering over the

771
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,089
nearby 500,000 volt power lines and it

772
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:13,920
looks like they were tapping off the

773
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,450
power lines because there was a beam

774
00:36:20,839 --> 00:36:17,339
shining down onto these power lines and

775
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:20,849
they were turning the lines cherry red

776
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:25,050
in color at this point he's shocked he's

777
00:36:33,319 --> 00:36:29,220
scared he also sees that all of a sudden

778
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:33,329
these conduit camels or pipes they

779
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:35,190
retract into the bottom surface of the

780
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,800
craft when that happens there's these

781
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:40,560
prong devices they retract as well and

782
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:43,950
then concurrently when that takes place

783
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,410
on the top of the craft on either side

784
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:48,359
left and right there's two hatches that

785
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:51,420
open and these gooseneck lights pop out

786
00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:55,050
shining lights on the bottom at this

787
00:36:59,660 --> 00:36:57,750
point he is horrified he's scared he

788
00:37:01,450 --> 00:36:59,670
runs into the mobile home he wakes up

789
00:37:04,579 --> 00:37:01,460
his wife he wakes up his two children

790
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:04,589
they go to the end of the bedroom there

791
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:06,990
they open up the windows and they're

792
00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:09,569
looking at that large craft at the back

793
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:12,150
of their backyard flanked on either side

794
00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:16,290
by the smaller ones and then what's

795
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:18,390
interesting is this large craft goes

796
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,410
from a dead standstill to 24 miles away

797
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:25,200
in about two seconds and then back

798
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:29,040
within two seconds all creating no sonic

799
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:30,990
boom whatsoever like completely

800
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:35,130
noiseless flight path at this point he

801
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:36,839
is horrified for the safety of his

802
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:39,930
family he goes and piles everyone into

803
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,060
the pickup truck they start screaming

804
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:44,520
down the road 90 miles an hour as this

805
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:46,140
thing is following them

806
00:37:50,359 --> 00:37:47,849
so you can kind of get the sight picture

807
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:50,369
here so this thing flies over the cab of

808
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:52,140
the truck over to the left side of the

809
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:55,410
vehicle pops back over the cab of the

810
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,010
pickup truck

811
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,839
I now on the right side of the vehicle

812
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,480
while all this is going on 90 miles an

813
00:38:04,309 --> 00:38:02,700
hour so they have eventually end up at

814
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:04,319
the neighbor's house about two miles

815
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:07,910
down the road they pile out of the truck

816
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:10,470
they start beating on the door of their

817
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:13,500
neighbor's door there they come out so

818
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,920
six eyewitnesses eventually see this

819
00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:19,200
large craft depart at a slow rate of

820
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,260
speed so that's actually in a nutshell

821
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,480
the Kaluza California sighting in well

822
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:27,599
well-documented say it is such a neat

823
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:30,569
one such a neat one and has has great

824
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:33,480
graphics as well the next one if I'm not

825
00:38:39,799 --> 00:38:35,849
mistaken that I wanted to bring up is

826
00:38:42,799 --> 00:38:39,809
the cover itself which is 1983 the huge

827
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:42,809
gigantic chopping machine can we go into

828
00:38:50,769 --> 00:38:47,940
that one 1983 this is near Mobile

829
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:50,779
Alabama this is reported in nycap report

830
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:53,940
so this woman is returning from a dinner

831
00:38:59,180 --> 00:38:56,910
engagement later in the evening she

832
00:39:02,059 --> 00:38:59,190
still has a ways to go to get home and

833
00:39:05,749 --> 00:39:02,069
the report states that she shares this

834
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:05,759
booming noise just this massive booming

835
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:08,220
noise the car starts shaking so she

836
00:39:12,499 --> 00:39:10,529
pulls off to the side of the road she

837
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:12,509
stops the vehicle she gets out of the

838
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,529
car she leans under the vehicle thinking

839
00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:18,000
that the transmission may have fallen

840
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:20,369
out that seemed to be okay so she gets

841
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,990
back in the car she drives another

842
00:39:27,259 --> 00:39:24,480
half-mile forward and there's this bend

843
00:39:32,269 --> 00:39:27,269
in the road and she notices off into

844
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:32,279
this distance this large black craft it

845
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:34,619
has kind of a bulbous forward into it

846
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,740
and then it tapers back as it goes to

847
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:39,900
the aft end of the craft kind of like a

848
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:43,619
an inverted wedding cake you could say

849
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:46,410
it tears up as it goes to the back so if

850
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:47,940
we start at the upper section of the

851
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:49,859
craft she said there was a transparent

852
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:51,569
window that wrapped around the front of

853
00:39:58,190 --> 00:39:55,650
it and it had about three equal segments

854
00:39:59,720 --> 00:39:58,200
that were a small kind of dividing

855
00:40:03,230 --> 00:39:59,730
section

856
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:03,240
then she said that she saw multiple what

857
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:05,190
she called human looking beings that had

858
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:07,830
slightly larger heads they were about 5

859
00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:09,570
feet 10 in height they were human

860
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:12,030
looking they were wearing one-piece

861
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:13,619
tight-fitting flight suits that were

862
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:16,820
light in color they were walking around

863
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:19,800
oblivious to her the interior of that

864
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:22,140
section looked to her and aseptically

865
00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:25,140
sterile an environment a very sterile

866
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:27,350
environment below that was another

867
00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:31,020
transparent window section below that

868
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,350
there were multimeter portholes that

869
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:36,900
were lit from inside now incidentally

870
00:40:41,330 --> 00:40:38,550
she said that this thing had what looked

871
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,340
like rivets on the outside so it was

872
00:40:47,650 --> 00:40:43,920
mechanical looking she also said that

873
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,660
she saw what looked like four boxes and

874
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:50,640
inside of these boxes there was these

875
00:40:55,070 --> 00:40:53,010
protrusions that look like cannons or

876
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:55,080
some type of cylinders they look like

877
00:41:00,380 --> 00:40:57,720
weapons she wasn't quite sure now below

878
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:00,390
those weapons there was a door that was

879
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,460
closing from right to left and it had

880
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,040
kind of a ribbed section on the bottom

881
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:07,560
of this door section she saw a black

882
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:10,920
asphalt road that disappeared into the

883
00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:14,460
interior of this craft on the inside

884
00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:16,950
left wall she noticed that there was

885
00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:18,750
what looked like tubes pipes and

886
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:21,150
cylinders on the inside left wall to

887
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:24,300
craft on the bottom of the craft she

888
00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:27,390
said she saw two transparent window

889
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:30,990
round wraparound gondolas that had the

890
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:33,900
same beings on the top section she saw

891
00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:35,970
that now on the top surface of these

892
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:38,670
transparent gondolas there was what

893
00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:41,490
looked like 24 inch by 24 inch highly

894
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:44,190
polished reflective mirrors that were in

895
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,290
the form of a cross on the bottom of the

896
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:48,720
craft now she walked up to the scrap

897
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:50,280
that was hovering about 10 feet off the

898
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:51,990
ground and she looked at some of these

899
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:53,970
lower portholes she could look through

900
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:56,550
one side to the other she said that the

901
00:42:01,940 --> 00:41:58,859
whole thing had rivets she could see the

902
00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:01,950
interior it looked like a drydock that

903
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,720
you would see at somewhere on the East

904
00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:05,040
Coast where they were building a

905
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:07,940
battleship she could see bulkheads

906
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:13,270
stringers girders big black steel beam

907
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:15,190
criss-crossing the interior of the craft

908
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:17,740
it had this very mechanical structure to

909
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:21,760
it on as it flew by she could see some

910
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:24,610
exterior lights that were green in red

911
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:26,350
and then this thing departed at a slow

912
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:29,230
rate of speed so that's the 1983 Alabama

913
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:34,180
encounter Wow and I see yeah it just

914
00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:37,690
looks like a a wild looking airship

915
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:41,470
cruise ship looking things so me would

916
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:44,350
it be okay to try to attack the maybe

917
00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:46,990
the China airliner with that massive I

918
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:50,260
don't know how to describe it okay so

919
00:42:57,060 --> 00:42:53,410
you're talking about Jil 1968 1986

920
00:43:02,940 --> 00:42:57,070
that's the one 1986 yes sir yeah it's a

921
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,950
flight 1628 and it's 1986 Terauchi is

922
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:05,440
the captain and there over Alaska this

923
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:07,600
is well documented made newspapers all

924
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:08,440
around the world

925
00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:10,390
and what I find interesting about this

926
00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:14,620
case is they only talk about the second

927
00:43:17,730 --> 00:43:16,180
part of this sighting they never talk

928
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:17,740
about the first part of the sighting

929
00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:19,330
that's how this thing actually took

930
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:21,580
place that's how it started so you've

931
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:23,950
got the pilot you've got the copilot

932
00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:25,480
you've got the Navigator there are in a

933
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:27,990
747 I think they're at flight level

934
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:30,880
35,000 feet through over Alaska and what

935
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:33,640
the pilot reported is lights off into

936
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:36,310
the distance and what he describes in

937
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,490
the FAA report is they look like coffee

938
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:41,440
cans there are a hundred and fifty feet

939
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:43,570
across they look like coffee cans but

940
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:46,690
they're the cans are cut along the

941
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:48,820
vertical axis so they're chopped down

942
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:52,330
they almost look like a Campbell Soup

943
00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:54,910
can chopped in half there's a black

944
00:43:59,130 --> 00:43:57,430
divider in the middle of the can that

945
00:44:01,290 --> 00:43:59,140
looks like someone took black electrical

946
00:44:03,330 --> 00:44:01,300
tape and just stuck it on the center of

947
00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:03,340
this craft now either side of that black

948
00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:05,830
electrical tape and this thing is 150

949
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,320
feet across he said that there were

950
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:11,200
amber colored lights that were rotating

951
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:13,810
in counterclockwise directions on the

952
00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:15,730
top and then the next level would be

953
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:17,860
clockwise and then counterclockwise and

954
00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:20,470
this alternated as it went down now

955
00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:22,540
there were two of these things that he

956
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:23,740
could see in the window and they were

957
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:25,540
about seven miles away they did get

958
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:25,930
close

959
00:44:31,319 --> 00:44:28,780
and this is the part where it appears

960
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:31,329
it's like a ce2 because he said that

961
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:33,790
they could feel the heat from this thing

962
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:36,790
on their faces so it was a ce2 case now

963
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,490
they did do a number of maneuvers with

964
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:42,400
in this case some evasive maneuvers and

965
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:45,369
according to the FAA radar according to

966
00:44:51,569 --> 00:44:49,660
military radar and according to the 747s

967
00:44:55,950 --> 00:44:51,579
onboard weather radar they all got this

968
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:55,960
on radar it stayed with the 747 in fact

969
00:45:02,370 --> 00:44:57,970
they were given clearance to do a

970
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:02,380
complete 360 a complete 360 circle at

971
00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:04,210
that altitude they dropped down a little

972
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:07,480
bit lower and the craft followed it it

973
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:09,250
mimicked the maneuvers they were it was

974
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,410
flanked on the left-hand side now that's

975
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:12,640
the first part of the sighting the

976
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:14,740
second part of the sighting only the

977
00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:17,880
pilot saw that and it was backlit

978
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:20,500
approaching from behind the airliner and

979
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,630
they're do it this is all going on at

980
00:45:26,609 --> 00:45:24,160
600 miles an hour so this thing was

981
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:26,619
pacing it the pilot

982
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:31,210
stated that he saw a walnut looking UFO

983
00:45:35,819 --> 00:45:33,640
that had a large protruding flange and

984
00:45:38,099 --> 00:45:35,829
quote-unquote he said that this thing

985
00:45:39,059 --> 00:45:38,109
was twice the size of an aircraft

986
00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:39,069
carrier

987
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:42,700
following his 747 all confirmed on three

988
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:45,510
separate radars and that's essentially

989
00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:50,410
flight 1628 the Alaska airline case such

990
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:53,740
a cool one and I think the last one will

991
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:57,130
be able to attack is the November 94

992
00:46:02,339 --> 00:45:59,530
case with mr. LG driving to work

993
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:02,349
possibly here so you're talking about

994
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:06,490
the Buxton England case yes sir yes okay

995
00:46:11,579 --> 00:46:08,890
so that's the newspaper clipping now

996
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:11,589
during that time frame we don't have the

997
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:14,380
month but we know it was 94 apparently

998
00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:17,890
there was a flap going on when this took

999
00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:19,869
place so it was more than one sighting

1000
00:46:25,049 --> 00:46:23,020
what he described seeing is a 60 foot

1001
00:46:27,089 --> 00:46:25,059
long elliptical shaped craft early in

1002
00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:27,099
the morning sounds like he was going to

1003
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,740
work he's driving his vehicle now keep

1004
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:31,119
in mind he's on the right-hand side

1005
00:46:37,859 --> 00:46:33,640
because this is in England and he sees

1006
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,869
this craft park above his car maybe 40

1007
00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:39,520
feet above his vehicle

1008
00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:41,140
he described it as having a notch cut

1009
00:46:45,210 --> 00:46:43,150
out of the back of it there were two

1010
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:45,220
beaming spotlights on the front end of

1011
00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:48,190
it but then he rolled down the window he

1012
00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:49,780
leaned his head out the window was

1013
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:51,880
looking up at this craft and he

1014
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:54,010
described and this is something I've got

1015
00:47:02,430 --> 00:46:56,980
like a 12 separate sighting reports of

1016
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:02,440
these pipes and cylinders and silencers

1017
00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:06,250
and rows of different piping

1018
00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:08,350
arrangements a lot of people describe

1019
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:10,360
these things looking like the interior

1020
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:13,960
of a Midas muffler shop he was there and

1021
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:15,610
saw it for a few minutes and then this

1022
00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:17,890
thing departed at a medium rate of speed

1023
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:21,550
but the point is that the bottom under

1024
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:23,710
structure of this vehicle the way the

1025
00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:26,290
witnesses that describe this it's being

1026
00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:29,100
reported reported case after case

1027
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:31,750
different times different states

1028
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:33,910
different eyewitnesses all describing

1029
00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:36,310
the same underbelly views of these

1030
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:37,540
vehicles so I think that's just

1031
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:41,590
important to note that as well yeah

1032
00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:44,380
that's one of my favorite descriptions

1033
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:47,080
and it just it looks so modern and

1034
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:50,530
futuristic and I I I think it's cool

1035
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:52,840
that I had a sighting that I'll have to

1036
00:47:59,100 --> 00:47:55,810
shoot to you but very very similar the

1037
00:48:01,050 --> 00:47:59,110
way it's been years but it left there

1038
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:01,060
were parts of this craft that reminded

1039
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:05,080
me of that moving on what and where how

1040
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:06,970
can our listeners keep up with what

1041
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:09,430
you're doing Michael and your efforts

1042
00:48:16,110 --> 00:48:12,490
sure just finished writing a new book

1043
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:16,120
called dark files a pictorial history of

1044
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:18,850
lost forgotten and obscure UFO

1045
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:21,880
encounters so it's it's the 20 best from

1046
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:24,310
my personal collection they're all fully

1047
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:26,230
Illustrated they're all fully referenced

1048
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,900
so you can verify it for yourself I give

1049
00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:30,880
you the references so you can check it

1050
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:31,480
out yourself

1051
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:34,630
and it's just a pictorial history of

1052
00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:37,180
making these cases come alive that have

1053
00:48:41,610 --> 00:48:39,100
been buried in these archives for over

1054
00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:41,620
four years so the job was to just make

1055
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,840
these cases come alive and and actually

1056
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:45,760
put the reader right next to the

1057
00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:48,010
eyewitness as they're actually seeing

1058
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:50,950
the case unfold in front of all at

1059
00:48:54,930 --> 00:48:52,930
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1060
00:48:58,020 --> 00:48:54,940
so if you just type in dark files in my

1061
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:58,030
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1062
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,079
found it it was it was I really think

1063
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:04,680
that it is one of the most descriptive

1064
00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:07,930
ways that I've seen investigating and

1065
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:09,940
documenting UFO encounters done the

1066
00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:12,550
creativity is off the charts and I

1067
00:49:17,609 --> 00:49:14,980
really think everybody's got to get this

1068
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definitely go to Amazon and check it out

1069
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:19,960
thank you Michael and thanks so much for

1070
00:49:23,549 --> 00:49:21,640
coming on the podcast I hope to talk to

1071
00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:23,559
you again soon and I appreciate y'all

1072
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:25,750
I'll talk to you hopefully sooner than

1073
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:28,960
later okay sounds good thanks Michael

1074
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:32,319
shred wow I can't be happier about the

1075
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,660
way that podcast went he is someone who

1076
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:37,359
was so on top of his subject matter that

1077
00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:39,940
it's just it's just a pleasure to talk

1078
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:41,470
to him and I wish I could do it all day

1079
00:49:48,030 --> 00:49:45,280
long he is I mean talk about what a guy

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what a great investigator documenter and

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in my opinion changing the game of how

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historical evidence can be brought to

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the public's attention it's a must by

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book period and supporting guys like

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Michael is how you follow G is moving

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forward I really wished I would have

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asked Michael about whether his book

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would be available in other formats or

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not eventually but the truth is it

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really is made for the format it is in

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and it is epic I'm just old school and

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loved to have a backup copy of

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everything but I think you can download

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it onto whatever device you want

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multiple devices is what I did I I'm

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still astounded by the quality and the

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description Michael went to please

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support Michael shrap go to Amazon and

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check out his book dark files a

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pictorial history of lost forgotten and

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obscure UFO encounters

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Michael schrott is the man definitely

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can't be happier with how that podcast

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turned out if you want to listen to

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other awesome podcasts please go to hero

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paranormal comm or hero paranormal dot

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pod bean comm if you want to download

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those quicker also go to youtube

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and support us at hero paranormal go to

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Facebook follow us at hero paranormal

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it is at s W R and wherever you are

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whatever you're doing keep your eyes to

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the skies feet on the ground but don't